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Black America's civil war. The Reverend Al Sharpton vs Rapper David Banner

There is an on going civil war raging in Black America and it would be easy for me to take sides on this against David banner.The controversy started around the begining of August when the southern rapper lashed out at the Reverend publically.He started talking in disrespectful tones in expressing his resentment towards the Reverend for his work in stopping the offensive lyrics put out by record companies.He called the Reverend a pimp with a dried up perm.Such disrespect drew critcism towards Banner and he came under fire.He miscalculated the level of anger towards rappers who most Blacks feel are helping to denegrate our culture.Fearing the bad publicity he decides take a more civil approach towards the Reverend but it might be alittle to late.Rappers are a dime a dozen a leader like Sharpton comes once a lifetime.So he wrote a letter at the advice of his attorneys no doubt and here is how it went: To all the black 'so called leaders'. Al, Oprah, Jesse, etc, etc, etc… I'm saddened by your current direction and current 'pet projects' you guys have taken under your wing at the expense of Young Black America. As an urban professional living in this crazy world, I dare ask, who are you leading? I listen to what you say, I hear you complain about the youth, and about the direction of our lives, the kids, and where Black America is going and yet I still ask – who are you guys leading? And most importantly, where are we going? Do we know the goal we are trying to reach before we get there? Have we identified our end before articulating our means to an end! Who are you REALLY reaching? Why do you feel the need to attack the young generation for the things we are doing? "WHO DID WE LEARN THESE THINGS FROM? We are trying to have fun in the midst of our traumatic circumstances. People are trying to make a living by any means necessary, people are voicing their experiences, people are speaking the truth about situations and honestly the truth hurts and sometimes it's ugly. If music/hip hop/ rappers are wrong with the language they use, the images they portray in their videos – then come talk to us – I use the term 'us' as a collective because I'm defending what I have a passion for so this also involves me. Pull us to the side and say "hey kids, that's not the way to go" and then we can say "change what we see daily so we cansing and rap about the roses and not about the bullets". We will say, help give us better situations to create better verbal material". Don't just go running off to the media to air the dirty laundry of the family and not expect us to fight back in some kind of way. What you are doing is wrong and it's pissing off a lot of people with less money and camera time! Young Black America's problem is not Hip Hop or the music, Young Black America's problem is Old White America. In the young black community, there is a growing level of resentment toward the 'so called leaders' because you guys DON'T WANT TO REALLY FIX OUR PROBLEMS. You guys don't really want to be on our side fighting for better school systems, more after school programs, more money for college funding! Where areyou leaders at when there's a need to break down to freshman in college on how not to get caught up with credit cards by singing up for an MBNA card, with high interest rates that eventually screw up your credit and makes it that much harder for you to become a homeowner after you graduate college pending you can find a job in your field after you've spent all this money in student loans! Where are those seminars? Dubois had it right when he spoke of the Talented Tenth! Rally around us to help teach us about THIS life! It's not our fault that the world is messed up and filled with debauchery. It's not our fault that our communities are screwed! The problems in our community should not fall on our lap. And if you begin to hold us accountable for simply our words – then I will begin to hold you accountable for your actions; or lack there of. Right is right and wrong is wrong. You as our leaders should have taken a better approach to gaining the attention of those that you are dissatisfied with and had a conversation with them. You don't scold your child in public without fair warning! Al Sharpton: You run around towns and cities speaking words of wanting to better our community by cleaning up the airwaves. You hold rallies in front of radio stations saying turn off the music and clean the airwaves. You want to shut down local stations that are playing urban music when most of these local stations house and employ the same people in your community – the black community. When you visit any station in any city (big or small) playing urban/rap music, the staff is generally black. Now if those stations were to ever shut down – where do those employees go? Al, if you are for the people, where was your rally when the 3 college students were executed in New Jersey by black men. Where is the rally atfor those families and that neighborhood??? I don't see you out there asking for justice yet that incident happened in a black community. If someone was to rap about "how f**** up black on black crime is and how even if you go to college you aren't safe on the streets and nigga's aint' s—" – that kind of tone is offensive to you and you want to stop that! If that's the truth, then why are you censoring it? No, you need to stop the crime before it happens so that there is no gangster song about a gangster situation. Oprah: You recently you held a town hall meeting dedicating 2 days of talk to have an open forum about the "Nappy Headed Ho" comment from Imus. Everyone had their 2cents to say and yet the people that needed to REALLY be there were not at all on your panel of 'experts'. The questions all were about "why use the word ho or b**** or nigga etc" yet the rappers in question ala Nelly, Snoop, Ludacris weren't anywhere present on your panel. In my eyes you had all the wrong people on there representing and speaking on behalf of other people. Common is great but he's not gangsta. If you had a problem with the true content of rap songs then where were those that do that kind of rap 100%? You want to talk about change, and about having us not call women in rap songs "bitches" and "hoes" but one thing I noted, you had all men on your panel of executives. Russell is wonderful but he's not the Zenith when it comes to new school rappers or their new school mentality. Kevin Liles is great but what happened to Sylvia Rhone the head of the label that Nelly is signed to, or Kathy Hughes the head of Radio One or Deborah Lee the head of BET. If the problem really was about women and the "bitch, ho" term being used, where were those ladies to speak on their stance on this issue! They are the ones with the ultimate say pulling all the strings and yet they weren't dully noted as absent from your panel! Oprah you are suppose to protect us, I can find more harm being done to the black community by the movies and sponsors you promote than any rap song. Just like your son or daughter, niece or nephew… rappers are just kids growing into their own. They aren't always right, but they aren't always wrong either. If our path is misguided, then help us get back on the right road. I'm young, I'm black, and I'm a hard worker. I'm from the hood where mother's leave their kids in the hands of strangers and never look back, I've been with killers, dope dealers, b******, church folk, grandparents, bad parenting from good parents, pushers, junkies, robbers, middleclass workers, but that's the life I'vebeen around. Gunshots and church hymns usually go hand in hand in most neighborhoods. The grim reality for a lot of kids out there living alone is that life is harsh and cold; kids grow up faster than they want to because they are forced too! Kids are growing up in situations that are f***** up. So the songs we listen to mirror the things we see, the things we dream about and the fantasies we have! Don't change the songs I listen to, change the circumstance from which it comes from—then the situation will be better! Growing up in this world of hip hop it's disheartening to see our 'so called leaders' leave us out to dry. Fine you don't like what we say. Fine disagree with our choice of topics; however, the things we talk about aren't new. We didn't invent the term pimps, pushers, hoes, tricks, doobies, nigga's and gangsta's. Hip Hop didn't create that. Those words were left here for us to use by you guys, your generation. This life we are continuing to live was handed to us by the people before us who didn't do much to clean it up. There may never be a time that we agree on anything, but there is always room for change. As a family – we will agree to disagree but it's the synergy in which we do it. If you are on one extreme tangent, and I'm on another, we will never meet eye to eye. At the same time, I will not allow you to bash, yell, condemn, and have a condescending tone on my source of refugee and happiness. As you leaders call out the hip hop community saying that we are wrong for what we do and how we do it, I am CALLING EACH OF YOU OUT saying you are wrong for what you are doing to us. How dare you guys not call Nelly, Snoop, Lil Wayne, David Banner, Jim Jones, Akon, Rick Ross, Fabulous, 50 cent, Young Buck, Bun B, Too Short and say lets talk this through. Do you even know who ANY of these people are??????? You are so disconnected from us that we don't even look at you for guidance. If you really want to change something, start by changing your dialogue. Don't talk at us, talk to us! -DAVID BANNER
I often thought of Rapper David Banner as an ignoramous,and after viewing his open letter by beliefs were confirmed.Now I am going to try and be as fair to both men as possible in this essay.There are things about both men that I dislike.The institution of the Black Leader has been a controversal one since the end of slavery.Before that in terms of our presence in America one leader could speak for the masses because most were under similar circumstances.So it didn't take much for anyone to say lets oppose slavery.The way and means differed but make no mistake all leaders were after the same end.Now in modern times we all come from different backgrounds and now have different beliefs systems so it makes it difficult for one man to honestly say he speaks for the masses of our people.This is the opposition that most Black leaders face.You see the socalled Black leader in Modern time is largely the creation of the dominate White Media.It is easy to simplify the hopes and aspirations of 40 million Black Americans, by only talking to the same six men every night on CNN,FOX,ABC,CBS ect,then it is to engage the community at large.The Black leaders who are chosen live high off the hog.Jesse Jackson is worth 50 million.Sharpton is wealthy, so are the rest of them while they always talk about the struggle to us suckers in the grass roots.I mean the payoffs from corporations they bully and shakedown has them rich and White America angry with us.We could not get rid of Al or Jesse if we tried.The New York Times editorial board has decided that these leaders of Blacks or men who lead Blacks should be there because the Black community cant be trusted to vote on their own.Example, since most of us cant stand the gay agenda we might just vote against it.Cant HAVE THAT!So its best to keep us politically enslaved to our democratic party masters.

Some issues Black leaders are on the money and they can galvinise the masses of our people.Just like any White leader they have good qualities and bad qualities.I believe in the big picture they do good for us.I seem to think they care more about the community they come ffrom that the rappers.50 cent sold that energy drink,why didnt he open factories or distribution centers in South east Queens NY?I'll tell you why he like nearly all rappers will give crumbs,donations here and there but not their blood.They will never invest long term.Unless to sell crack or heroine.Jay Z sold Rocawear to a major corporation.Why didnt go to Black Business leaders for help?Think of the psycological uplift that would have had to the youth.He doesnt care.Or maybe it is not that urgent to him.So to the people who even put Earl Graves,Oprah Winprhey,Bill Cosby on the same level as these rappers I am going to break it down for you.The majority of our people are behind our traditional leaders not these rappers.David Banner made a huge miscalculation when he decided to call the Rev out.Sharpton is no Dr King he is from Harlem and it can go down anyway Banner wants it.Sharpton is fearless unafraid of NYPD,The mob or KKK.How many of these rappers even said one word about George W Bush on record?None.They are all sellouts to their MTV VH1 White audiences.David Banner wants to sell more records to the mainstream so he attacks one of his own?Where was he when KKK leader Pickens who lived a long comfortable life in Mississippi where Banners is from, just finally went to jail from the 1965 civil rights murders.Not one breath from any of the socalled tough dirty south rappers.So now with the slave mentality that they have to please our enemies, he attacks the Reverend personally and told him "suck my dick".Such dissrespect can only come from the sickest and the lowest Black people among us.Just look at his songs the guy looks and sounds like a predatory rapist.The disrespect for women on his records is appalling.I dont give a damn about your little bit of contributions.You do more damage at the expense of the people you are talking about.Now he has a big house money and fame.That is all he will ever get.Respect I am sorry sir, that is asking for too much.None of the rappers you mentioned deserve respect.They forfited that by selling their souls for pleasure.

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Started Aug. 28, 2007 by:

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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Aug. 29, 2007
 

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOPIC I PROMISE I WILL BE NICE! PLEASEJOIN THIS DISSCUSION!!!!
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NYOIL01

Permalink Reply by NYOIL01 Aug. 29, 2007
 

I'd like to point you to my podcast on the matter.. u can get there via my profile page

but just to build on your blog.. I think that DB was off point.. he spoke without thinking in a disrepectful manner and made it such that we in good faith cannot support that statement or his attempt at redressing the matter.
Further he is speaking as if he isn't a grown man.. he is making the argument that is reserved for children that haven't seen enough life to understand why somethings are wrong.
He is speaking like a person whos world begins and ends on the block.. not a man that is internationally known.. nationally recognized and locally respected... and that makes his platform weak.

he should be greater than that.. because he is.
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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Aug. 30, 2007
 

BRAVO!!! That was terriffic my brother you dropped it hard.I really have to get your album this week.What you said about the Mexicans is on the money.NYOIL I have a post called 'Sacred Cows' this is exactly what I mean when I saywe are afraid to confront the ignorant among us.Just look at some of the contributors on this sight they are afraid to condemn bad ignorant behavior in hip hop yet they attack me all of the time.I wish you could have gotten in the disscusion on Al Sharpton so called war on rap.These brain dead sellouts accually believe he is attacking all of hip hop.They would try to slander a strong Black man like him just to please their White slavemasters.Check it out some time the battle I engaged with some of them went on for a week.You made me reassess my opinion on Mike Vick.He now a Black man being attacked by White America.I here what you say they are makinghimthe poster boy for animal cruelty.And you are right most of us are still afraid of White people.that is why we attack him.I think he has paid or has been punished enough.I year in jail is plenty but the traitors and crackers want blood.They hunt and kill sharks,bears,cougars,alligators,minks, fur seals ect and they want to make him the poster boy for animal cruelty.Even Stevie Wonder can see what a fool and fake David Banner is.I thought his whole steze was off shollow with no real core argruement.Aand I am finding that more and more hip hop people are fake and superficial.This why they cany win any debates.You and I tell it like it is and dont care about offeding people.I get crucified on this sight because I tell the truth from the heart.They seem to want fake plesent people and I am not going to compromise.Your inerview gave my strength to carry on in the face of adversity.Please post that interview on this forum everyone should hear it.Your name is spreading my brother you are waking alot of people up.
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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Aug. 30, 2007
 

Still looking for RAWUS INPUT ON THIS TOPIC!
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Daniel aka MotownPride

Permalink Reply by Daniel aka MotownPride Aug. 30, 2007
 

"Brain dead sellouts"....

This right after you pleaded with the Rawkus community that we "not attack eachother my brotha".

You've got me really wondering how successful of a leader you really are in the outside world. Seriously. You turn on people you are supposedly trying to build with like the wind.

Man, I dunno what to say about you Kala.

So, I've listened to NYOIL's podcast and it was really good. (It's actually what inspired me to seek his help for the Jena 6 project, which he did without blinking). I don't agree with all of his points (especially as it pertains to Vick) but he does a great job building his case. His passion is undeniable and he remains consistent. I do encourage all to check it out. You can find the link on his my.rawkus page.
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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Aug. 30, 2007
 

I wasnt talking about you or Kas,but some of these brothers know better.They are so afraid to break the moldand offend these rappers because they think they are being down.They ae only proving to me that they are weak and have no core convictions.Every Black man ought to be up inarrms right now over what is happening to our culture.And if you love your people the way NYOIL and Kala Nation does that fire would be burning in your heart.We cant do anything against the enemies outside of our community until we dothing about the enemies among us.I gave a long an well thought out post on a serious topic,and many of you are to afraid to disscuss it.If the ancient Greeks,Eyghptians,Romans tought like that the world would never have evolved into high civilisations.All we have is the right to dissagree if we did not have that discovery would not happen.I love when you guy attack me andsometime correct me because I learn alot.If we stop this then the ignorant will rule.Trust me these disscussions are wakeing alot of people up.There is a revolution brewing and it wont be televised.
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PHENETIKS

Permalink Reply by PHENETIKS Sep. 3, 2007
 

I say ***Yawn** Foolish mortal.

Just curious...what kind of detergent do you use when you wash Al's underwear?
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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Sep. 4, 2007
 

You sellouts never cease to amaze me,you guys wont engage me in real debate.Why dont you come out and say you sit on David Banners lap in your dreams.I had penty of criticism of Al Sharpton but respectful.I know you have no loyalty to the Black Culture like NYOIL and Kala Nation that is why you are taking the side of an ignoramous like David Banner.But you see he is now backtracking and trying to sound like he knows what he is talking about but it wont matter everyone is laughing at him and you Protege.You HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST AL BECAUSE THE FUTURE OF YOUR CRAFT MAY BE IN JEAPORDY.THAT IS SELFISH!THE CULTURE COMES FIRST.YOUR WANTING TO USE THE B WORD AND N WORD IS NOT A PRIORITY.GIVING WHITE SUBUBAN KIDS A LISCENCE TO DEGRADE BLACK CULTURE AND DESTROY HIP HOP IS BEING REVOKED GET USED TO IT.
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t nafi

Permalink Reply by t nafi Sep. 13, 2007
 

the revolution wont be televised....but televise this

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Kala Nation

Permalink Reply by Kala Nation Sep. 13, 2007
 

I am feeling this T I cant get enough of that Wu tang style flow.Keep it up man your on point.
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